A drug boss allegedly told an accomplice to “do a double one lad” before a gang member was viciously attacked.
Colin Joseph Jones is accused of plotting to seriously harm another gang member but has told police that they have “the wrong end of the stick”.
According to North Wales Live, he denies the charge, but admits conspiracy to supply Class A drugs.
It comes as part of Operation Tide – a North Wales Police led investigation that saw a series of warrants executed in dawn raids in the region last September.
At Mold Crown Court on Tuesday, the jury heard transcripts from the interviews between police and Jones after he was arrested on September 5 last year.
It came after hours of audio recordings from a bugged device that police had placed on Rawling’s car, were also heard by the jury.
The trial was told on Monday that Rawling was under surveillance by police and later pleaded guilty to the conspiracy.
It was allegedly created after the gang became suspicious that Lee Murray had been “ripping off” Jones’ ‘Echo Line’ and pocketing some of his profits.
Following his arrest last year, questions were put to Jones by Detective Constable Darren Hughes, an officer in the case, about his role in the alleged conspiracy to cause GBH.
Asked why he was heard on the bugged device talking with Rawling about taking someone to the location where Mr Murray was living, a place the jury heard yesterday that he would “feel safe” Jones told police: “I don’t know what the f*** you’re on about.
“I was not planning anything to hit anyone.”
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Jones and Rawling were also heard allegedly discussing the best time to attack Mr Murray and that the unknown man should avoid the attack when Mr Murray went for his early morning swim as the location was close to a police station and was “a bit too hot”.
When asked about this in interview, Jones replied “no comment”.
While travelling in Rawling’s car the device had also recorded Jones telling the man, whose identity is still not known, that “the paper’s right there”.
He then added: “Tell him to do a double one lad.”
Asked what he meant, Jones replied, “no comment”, before eventually adding: “It’s not what you think.”
He added: “Do you think I’m stupid enough to kill someone?”
When asked again later, he replied: “It could have been a double window or anything.”
Later in the interview he said: “You have got the wrong end of the stick over this ‘double’.
“It’s nothing to do with violence.”
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Jones was then asked about Rawling being heard saying: “Before one digit’s rung nine on that thing you’re off aren’t you?
“And let’s face it they’re phoning an ambulance first aren’t they?”
Jones told police: “This is just all f****** movie stuff to me. That’s in the movies.”
Asked why Lee Murray was no longer in with the group, Jones replied, “no comment.”
The trial continues.